Saturday, December 31, 2005

My job interview

Placement process at our campus started from 21st december.After a hope raising but noisy GD in ITC and indecisiveness with P&G I had my tryst with L&T.
From the beginning not very people were interested in L&T for reasons best known to themI never wanted to go for a software firm,and before joining IAS or IIM wanted to homy management skills so L&T seemed to me best proposition after HLL and ITC.
They were late to reach our campus,but their test was pretty good.It was an IQ test with a 3x3 matrix of figures and u had to figure out 9th one from 8 given options.Starting one were laddu but towards the end there were some really interesting problems.
After it they had a shortlist and second was a verbal test.there were 15 short passages and 60 questons based on them.Each question had 3 optionsa.it can be concluded from passage2.it can be concluded to be false from passage 3. more info requied.
After this they put up a list of B TECh and Dual Degre people they were to interview.For Dual degree dates were to be announced later so Ihad a good night sleep.
In the mornig i gave patiala some funda on probable questions and then swiftly moved to insti from harry's.there was not much to do thr also ,but then I came to know that the form which they gave us last night was to be submitted by 12.It was basicallyy to be submitted before they left campus.So i camreto hall to fill up the form.it ahd some tricky questions ,so I decided to have lunch,a good sleep and then feel it.At around 3:30 pranav waked me up to fill up theform which he was going to submit.Now i embarked on the mission.Well this time I meant to get a photocopy of it for my future reference becoz in P&G i was terribly confused about what answeres I had written.



AND NOW THE BOMBSHELL Pranav comes to tell there is a notice by my name that i will be interviewed on the same day at 3:00.it was laready 3:45.
My pant was not ironed which I had washed last night,so I borrowed Pranav's pants got dressed up hurriedly and then went to T&P.Gautam Sinha did not seem to be very enthusiastic but I proceeded to alumni guest house.First i went to tech guest house where colonel told me to go alumni.
there they were waitnig for me.So here I enter the room after talking to that BALD hr man.
Ientered and offered my sincere apologies for coming late( to score brwnie points) ,then I went ahead that with how i was called here on short notice with veiled hints of my unhappiness over their way of conduct.By this time i had guessed that BZ TeCh electrical they interviewed were not peole good enough so they wanted me there.
Then they saw my hall patel and made a reference to patiala.
Now they shifted to my project.I was myself not preety sure of nitty gritty ,but i was somehow able to convince them about its concept and drew a block diagram.
Then he drifted to my training,as I had done nothing there i took discussion to public private sector.
then they moved to power theft and possible solution.
then it came to morality of peole and I inserted SFIH here.
then they asked whether i played anything ireplied yes i did but never won.
then they remarked how our photographs were different from our actual being where i brought some humour in picture.
ZThen my answere to their questions describing L&T as knowledge driven durable asset creating company and i justified them byheaping praise over L&T.
here i fumbled about GSM and GPS, but then went to my m tech in instru and minoe in elctronics.
queston on transducer to mesure furncae temperature and slurry flow went well.
then mangement question to increase topline and bottmline where i gave the a piece of my mind on mangarial issues and my desire to go for pre-paid elctricty.
then most tricky question as to whether i feel isolated at KGP sometimes to which i gave a poetic reply which impressed them very much.
and lastly which event in this year affected india most to which i replied increse in oil prices- GDPand fruitful economic actvity followed from it.
then i was asked to wait for 5 minutes before second HR interview.
It was pretty routine.My board of schooling,medium.Why prefer dual degree over B TECh. Economics question - five yr plan face value of L&T share ,what i read President Kalam's speech last day.
And customary if you have nay questions.
I feel they were just checking where your basic fundamentls were right or not.

outlook : rants and Raves Part-3

1.why should it automatically be presumed that because an
idea has come from the RSS, it should be at once shunned? What
sort of intellectualism is this? How irrational can one be? As
Shakespeare might have said, of the RSS as he made one of his
characters speak about Jews: "If you prick us do we not bleed?
If you tickle us, do we not laugh? If you poison us do we not
die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge?" What
intellectual arrogance is it to insist that only secularists
have the right to lay down the law? And if Indian students,
studying in India, are not to be taught the Vedas and the
Upanishads on grounds that that would be “communal” where are
they to learn of their own heritage: at Harvard? Chicago? Bonn
where there are excellent centres of Sanskritic learning


2.The one thing these three world-conquering creeds have in common, is their boundless self-righteousness in overrunning the societies of the non-chosen peoples. They have respected nothing of what was sacred to the Pagans, often not even their lives. Where these three have come in conflict with each other, they have not spared each other either, witness the Crusades and the Spanish Reconquista, the treatment meted out to the Christians in Muslim countries, the Armenian genocide, the wholesale persecution of (an already softened) Christianity in the Soviet block, the confrontations between the Chinese and the Uighurs, the persecution of the Communists in Khomeini's Iran. Each of them, in its prime, has (had) the unshakable conviction that it is bound to conquer the world, and that ultimately no opponent would survive to give testimony against its outrageous crimes.


3.Ghulam..I know you are still bit open to logic, discussion. I encourage you to read the Whole text of the Interview of RSS head, and then analyze it Vis-a-Vis this report by Saba. I find that these sort of reports are NOT based on Actual Interview. Its totally falsehood to claim that RSS is against normal relationship with Pakistan, that too hiding under a word like "reportedly".

Its doing great damage to Secularism, true journalistic Spirit.

The bigger impression what goes to the general public is: Muslim Intellectuals (including Saba) are innately hostile to anything "Hindu". As I quoted, elsewhere, a leading Analysist like Madhu Kishwar , who frankly accepted that as a fact. She wrote it some 10/15 years back!

These are very dangereous ploy. It may have worked earlier. But its getting exposed everyday, in this world of information boom.

Its very sad, that Westernized, Educated Muslims are still following this Anti-Hindu Stand. These same group of people discarded Gandhi before partition. After partition, they supported "Nehruvian Secularism" Model which was hostile to Hindu-Culture, History, Custom, Religion. Now, same Muslims are so desperate, that they have to take help of deceit, false-hood to farther their Cause, like this piece. This "boxed" situation is the creation of Muslims themselves, and nobody except themselves can get them out of that situation."

Its very Bad. Its very sad. Most importantly, nobody has an solution to this problem, except Muslims themselves. AS its their own Creation.


4.consternation in New Delhi where the authorities are poised to repeal the Prevention of Terrorism Act (POTA), even though that nasty law, benignity personified when compared to AFSPA, has only a few weeks to run before it becomes defunct, but are stubbornly refusing to do anything about the demand to repeal the AFSPA. Quite simply, the political constituency adversely affected by POTA is numerically larger and politically more powerful. In contrast, those affected by the AFSPA, potentially the whole population of the seven States of the northeastern region, account for less than 40 million, a mere drop in the bucket in the broader Indian electoral context. Size does matter.

5.
Where is "democracy" in all this? Where are the "aspirations of the people"? Elections alone create nothing. Those who speak of constitutional or democratic governance in Bihar, on the authority of the fact of elections, delude themselves, or deceive others. Nor, indeed, is there any real consolation in the academic fiction that all this violence and disorder is part of a "churning process" of "social transition" and that an inevitable and utopian future will emerge. Those who have been "churned" for decades now cannot find succour in this myth.


6.
Many of the characteristics mentioned about Hindus here are really brahminical ethos that unfortunately forms the core of Hinduism. Self before everything else, elitism, a constant quest to differentiate or establish superiority over local population,constant recourse to "pragmatic thinking" which often stands for "lack of balls", feminization of culture, inability to establish and connect to larger cause, lack of passion, highly rigid and structured thought process, inability to connect to the soil and the locals are some of characteristics of brahminical ethos Such ethos may get admission to IIT or MIT but does not build a nation or a thriving community. Unfortunately India is condemned to be ruled by these brahminical ethos.



7.Its not only Sen, his ideological father Tagore, or Bankimchandra, Tilak or present day Nirod C. Choudhury and many others --all are severe Critic of Traditional Hinduism in many way. But there is a huge difference between their discourse and yours. They are "internal" critic, meaning they wanted to change certain things Hindu religion, and make it more "modern", more relevant. But your criticism of Hinduism is for exactly opposite reason. Its denigrating Hinduism, and push for Conversion. They rejected Colonial discourse on Caste..But you believe in that. So, there is basic difference in the reason of their criticism and yours. Their is for strengthning of Hindu Religion. Yours is for denigrating. Anyday, Hindus will accept their discourse plus like Swami Vivekanand. But we reject your discourse


8.Its you who is now twisting histing history. Savarkar was always a burning light of partriotism, nationalism. Pakistan was born precisely because, there were 35% Muslims in Indian Army during British period. Brits needed Indian Army to protect their interest during WWII. Thus Pakistan was delivered to Jinnah, as otherwise he would have given a call for Jihad, and Muslims (35% of Indian Army) would have deserted Indian Army. Had People listened Savarkar, and joined Indian Army in large Numbers, things would have been much different today.


Calcutta University, once India's premier University, reached its supreme Height under the Chancellorship of Sir Ashutosh Mukherjee! You know who is this Sir Ashutosh? he is father of BJJ's ideological father Shyamaprasad Mukherjee!


9.
Why they could never have won (short of subjecting the whole of Vietnam to the My Lai experience or risking a few Hiroshimas, neither of which would have counted as much of a victory) is neatly encapsulated in an episode related by Jane Fonda in her recent autobiography, My Life So Far. The American actress was dubbed “Hanoi Jane” by her detractors for travelling to North Vietnam in 1972, in what was perceived as a propaganda coup for the “enemy”. She recalls that, on her way back to Hanoi one day from a trip into the countryside, the driver suddenly stopped the car, and her interpreter told her that an air raid was imminent. A passerby — “a young Vietnamese girl with some books wrapped in a rubber belt slung over her shoulder” — pulled her into one of the roadside holes that served as individual air raid shelters throughout the North.

They heard the thud of bombs falling in the distance, felt the ground shake. Given the all-clear by her interpreter, a distraught and blubbering Fonda emerged from the hole and, channelling her nation’s guilt, began “saying over and over to the girl, ‘I’m sorry, oh, I am so sorry, I’m so sorry’.” The girl stopped her and calmly delivered a response in Vietnamese. Her interpreter translated: “You shouldn’t cry for us. We know why we are fighting. The sadness should be for your country, your soldiers. They don’t know why they are fighting us.”

Three decades on, that simple yet powerful truth has retained — or perhaps regained — much of its validity.


10.Look at Kashmir today. There were only two State elections which were conducted fairly, both during Non-Congress Period(Morarji Desai & recently under Vajpayee). Local leaders (including Sheik Abdulla) ruthlessly cleansed Opposition, with active help from Congress. Role played by Indira was particularly disastrous. Infact, there is much similarity between the way Punjab was whipped up to consolidate Majority Vote and Kashmir. It was Congress Foreign Minister (Dinesh Singh) who openly spoke of lack of rationale of Continued presence of Muslims in India, if Kashmir secedes. Togadia was unheard of at that time! One well known historian wrote: Nehru virtually followed Hindu Nationalist policy in Kashmir after 1955.

Ultimately, by hook or by Crook, Congress has to remain in Power. Its left to looney Left fundamentalists to pop-up secularism. IHC (Indian historical congress- taken over by Marxists) even passed a resolution demanding Ban on Ramayana/Mahabharata on Televsion in late 1980s. Imagine that.

With all morality Gone, its now free for all. You can do anything to grab power. That's the right time for resurgence of any Rightwing. And the same thing is happening in India.


I am pretty sure that if all muslims had left for Pakistan in 1947 and the Kashmir valley was given to them, then we would have had fewer problems today . No problem with Babri Masjid,
no Godhra or Gujerat. No haj subsidies, no
special laws for muslims, and no vote bank politics. Since I can recall the muslims are always calling for special provisions for themselves. Secularism for them is acceptable as long as it permits them to live as a separate community , inside their Islamic framework,
Then I say to the secular muslims, why not live in a purely muslims country,if Islam means so much to you. And the Hindus can live in a truly secular , democratic set up as envisaged in the
constitution.

11.European experience has shown that despite the
wealth and resources they have failed to bring the muslims into the mainstream, And I will strongly affirm that non muslims have no debt to muslims, to keep on accomodateing them, and
responding to their constant complaints for one reason or the other.Europeans have learnt this lesson.

Let us accept that Islam is a wonderful religion. It stands for enlightenment. So
muslims should accept the meassage that they are best served if they live and practice their religion in truly muslim countries..Pakistani's and Bangladeshi's have no minority problem. It is only the Hindus who have a king sized muslim problem, and now to add to that, we are being constantly lectured by mad christian evangelists.

I believe that one day Hindus "may" assert themselves, build a ccountry after their own ideals, and simply ignore the inevitable flak
from so called secularists, fundamentalist muslims, and christian evengelists. For this Hindu's must go by the old maxim, might is right.
Dont bother to win the war of words, which keeps on and on, without any results.

"When secularism was equated with secular tolerance and legitimated by Nehru's principled behavior, arguments that it was the responsibility of the majority community to make minorities secure could be openly made. Despite such open arguments in favor of minorities, Hindu nationalists were not able to win against Nehru. When principled secularism--not legitimating religion in political mobilization but maintaining a concern for minority welfare--was replaced by unprincipled secularism, the secular project began to unravel." (Quoted from Ashutosh Varshney's COntested Meanings


12.1. The steps taken by AIMPLB is too little, too late. Walking Backward to suit oneself on a "law" written in antiquity.

2. Historically, Single Uniform Personal Law never existed for all Muslims in India. Even a destroyer of India like Jinnah, advocated against it in 1938(or 39). Does it mean, Muslims living in India before AIMPLB(1970s) were less Muslims than today (when a Single Shahria is applied). Obviously not. This unmasks the whole AIMPLB project. Its not a religious project, rather a Political Project. Stepping stones of Building of monolith Muslim Nationhood. Interestingly, AIMPLB was formed in early 1970s to "saveguard" muslims from steps taken by Congress Govt! RSS/BJP was nowehere to be seen.

3. The real goal is to establish separate Sharia Courts in India which will subvert the rule of Law of nation-State called India. Its already setup in many states like West Bengal, Bihar, UP, Assam, even in Gujarat. A parallel process is undertaken to get the legal sanctity of it. This Separateness of Indian Muslims, whether in Education System, Woemn's rights, laws -- is against the Spirit of Indian Constitution, democracy, Secularism.

4. To the Author: Please don't try to fool us. Average Muslims living in small/big town/Cities, villages are fighting for their rights and trying to cope with their situation in best possible manner on a daily basis, but are being persecuted by Mullahs. I spoke about a poor Muslim Father from a North Bengal Village who cancelled his daughter's marriage because groom-party didn't accept Girl's father's demand of registering the marriage in Indian Marriage Court (after Nikahh). Because, as a father he wanted to protect his daughter's rights, which is universal. Where were you at that time? Or folks like Javed Akhtar, Shabana Azmi who lecture us everyday for Minority's Utopian "secularism"? There are 100s of events like this happening in Indian Villages. Why don't you talk about them, actively support them? I think the whole intelligentsia wants an answer from people like you. THAT'S MAKES YOU SUSPECT.

5. People like you are actually creating Monolith Muslim Political Community. Worst, you are trying, working to divide Hindu Community (from your other articles) along infinite Caste Lines and adding up the number to get political majority. I would say, its even worse than Traditional Muslims.

6. Mullahs are Muslim Rights activists like you are same. Both of you are interested in creating a Single Monolith Political Muslim Community. Cultural content may vary. What is most important here: both of you are working against South Asian Islam, which had its distinct blend of tolerance based on Societal relations. I can understand Mullah's contempt of Secular law. But why people like you talk about "secularism" and "Shariat" together? Don't you feel shamed?

7. Mini Kashmirs are being created in the heart of the nation, which will become uncontrollable in near future. Question is: when. As usual, you will have your Root-Cause theory. Didn't you support the Fradulent Email circulated after Godhra's massacre? Because, one "mulim" girl was misbehaved! I bet, yes.



13.Mr Gorgon you simply hide away from saying that Taliban are the worst blot for muslims. Where were muslims like Faruki when they were killing muslim woman on a daily basis. Where were the so called liberal muslims when Bamiyan Statues were being destroyed.

Where was the good interpretation of islam at that time. Liberal muslims have a pattern. When there values are attacked from outside then they are put in the front and those fundamentalists are shown as wrong interpreters of islam, when they have power then these fundamentalists come out and liberals take a back seat. At that time they dont fight these fundamentalists. Simply sit back. This is hypocricy sir.

You are i seem a great liberal. Where was your liberalism when 4 lakh kashmiri pandits were ethnically cleansed from the valley. When open call for jihad and killing of kashmiri pandits was started in 1991. Where were you guys when hindus were being butchered in Bangladesh.

You will say hindu fundamentalists talk to divert attention. I will say that all psuedo secularism where the sentiments and fears of hindu have no political importance so no action.

Liberals muslims dont stand against fundamentalist muslims they stand against outside attack and then start saying that this is the real islam not that. But when fundamentalist start doing there dirty dance they dont stand up and identify themselves as the real islam. At that time they cosy up and let it happen. Hypocrates


14.Experience from Western Europe has shown that
pluralist societies have lots of problems, and it is now recoganised that European societies have not been able to bring muslim immigrants into the mainstream.

The Europeans call muslims backward and dogmatic,
and the muslims criticise the Europeans for leading a sinful and immoral life style. About
50 % of immigrants in Scandinavia are without jobs and live on well fare. One in four
inmates in prisons are of muslim origin.
Scandinavians have stopped being nice to the immigrants, and are averse to giveing them jobs . The media is openly hostile to them


15.An RSSite is also fearful not just the average muslim. He fears another pakistan can happen. He fears that his woman are again going to be rapped. These are his fears some are real and some imaginary, but he has them. Simply they have been said that they are fundamentalists out to get muslims like hitler. This is what is wrong. When they equate RSS with hitler they create a image of hatred which makes these RSSites even more agressive.


16.You also said that i missed the point. I did not miss the point. Let me tell you what you wanted to say. You want a better and liberal interpretation of islam. You want that words like Kafir are not refered to as hindus or all the militant nature of islam be removed and a peaceful interpretation of islam comes out.

This is what you want. But this has not happened anywhere. Pakistan was the best place for such a thing to happen. We all know what has happened over there. This is just a dream of good people like you. Who are religious and want that islam should not get a bad name. But this is not going to happen. Further with your tendency to always bring religion you strengthen those fundamentalist, and mind you fundamentalists are always going to be there in any society.

You desire that there should not be any fundamentalist is a utopian situation which is not going to happen.

This is the summary you want an islam which is liberal and simply speaking it is not possible and i am totally and completely against anything where people's social mores are also given by ill-educated maulvis who call themselves islamic scholars.

Your kind of islam has not happened anywhere in the world for last 1400 years, so i dont see why it will happen in the coming 100 years also. I simply want that i person should remain religious and islamic but not bring it in open and try to interpret every other action through several complex systems that islam has create.

Make life easy and simple, not complex and intricate.


I understand that we do come from very different positions.

See you want an islamic system, it looks more obvious, all your solutions are embedded in that system. You want better intepretation of islam for your people, which is liberal, or maybe your interpretation of islam.

I simply dont accept a islamic system. So this is the major problem. So we will never be able to come to a point where we agree on a solution. Your solution is more islam, my solution is keep islam in your home and dont make it a political issue. Dont tell me that i am islamic and stuff like that. Come out and tell me that you are a person, a man a woman or something.

People trying to follow islam try to find justification in Quran almost always, there value system always come from there and not some original idea.

Christians came out of this problem by bringing into the concept of secularism, where they simply said that keep religion at home and let the public space be free of religion, where bible cannot dictate terms.

Islam has not been able to do this. If Islam wants a true revolution then you have to create a system where every justification should not and cannot be found in islam, quran, hadiths or fatwas. They have to be original.

Your problem with people like me is that we dont accept that islamic system. And that is why I believe in the position taken by sanghis. They are not like congress who say at the top of there voice secularism when it comes to hindus, keep religion away from public space, but when it comes to islam it does not apply the same yardstick. Until and unless the same yardstick is not applied there cannot be a secular system. This is precisely what i characterise as muslim appeasement. The moment islam finds strenght or majority it will naturally drift towards an islamic system. A liberal like you wants an islamic system what can i say about an islamic fundoo.

Will you ever give same right to a hindu in an islamic country. Look at bangaladesh and pakistan they have killed all the hindu population in these areas. Islam is designed to dominate. Islam is designed to make everybody islamic. There is no concept of minority protection. And if you will say dhimmis. Well I have read about the rights of dhimmis in islamic system. It is laughable if anybody tells me it is equal rights.

Accept the fact that every person who is islamic believe that islam is the ultimate religious system. Deep down that is what it is.

Anyways I guess till now i would have become a true hindu fundamentalist for you, who hates islam.

But let me tell i dont hate islam. The simple point is that i say what i think, and i think what i say. I dont sugarcoat. This is what i think. Do try to prove me wrong.


17.It is even ridiculous to see that these woman are trying to take the help of the same thing that they are opposing. They want to learn more islam and argue that there form of islam is better. It is the same argument that i had said that in islam all moderates actaully start discussing islam instead of the issue in hand.

I am reading a book by Arun Shourie which talks about fatwas given by Ullamas and these islamic clerics. it is ridiculous to even see the level of subjugation that these fatwas have put the islamic community in. Indeed some of the fatwas are so ridiculous that they discuss what kind of halal meat a muslim can eat and how he should clean himself after having sex. How the person should behave with his wife.

This kind of a battle cannot be won by islamic study. You will always be shown the door by the maulvis because they have history behind them. Throughout islamic history these maulivs have used Quran, hadiths to control the small social mores of the masses so they have a huge precedent favouring them.

Several fatwas given by islamic scholars, several ruling by islamic kings. Whenever you will try to reinterpret it they will give you there interpretation and also back it up with proof and you will loose the battle.

The simple point is that if you are serious about your agenda and not just reacting due to the pressure that sanghis have put on you then dare to say so what if it is written in quran, or hadith ot some other fatwa. I donot agree with them. I am an individual who lives in 21st centuery and my needs and my actions will be decided by me and nobody else. Define your own islam and do it


If India can call itself a "secular" country, it's laws should not be based on "religious authority" of ANY kind but on the rights of citizens irrespective of their religious affiliation.
Mr.Faruqi writes "The essential thrust of Quranic law is in the direction of fairness, equality and justice.." Such confidence! I wonder what criteria Mr.Faruqi uses to judge "fairness" - I say since we are a "secular" country, let us judge them on the basis of a simple document - the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and see how "fair" your laws are.
Mr.Faruqi wants "more enlightened interpretations .. to be codified into laws" - thereby asking religious laws from one particular religion to be incorporated into Indian law - Nice! How insidious!
I couldn't care less if a particular religion "gave" more rights 1500 years back than it's adherents allow today - No "God" or religion has the authority to "grant" ME or any Indian Citizen his/her "Rights". My rights are mine by birth and so should they be to every self-respecting citizen.


18.The big news is ofcourse the pathetic conduct of EMS.This dude wrote a 900 page book on the freedom struggle from the communist angle.In that he took great pains to emphasize how the communist movement actually worked for the freedom of India and how they were the true patriots.
Now the released papers show how he begged the USSR to take a pro-china stance in 1962.Infact he expressed the gratitude of the CPI to Moscow for an editorial in Pravda when the paper took a pro-china stance.Such is the patriotosm!And he is supposed to be the one of the tallest leader the communist movement produced in India!!.Tallest traitor would be more appropriate.

. The third factor is psychological: the Hindus tend to be tolerant even of the non-Hindus; the Muslims tend to be intolerant even of each other.Such are the wages of monotheistic Islam --- and such, the bonus of polytheistic Hinduism. As Arnold Toynbee put it in his Dialogues with Daisaku Ikeda of Soka Gakkai of Japan: ``The Indian and East Asian attitude is pantheism. The Judaic religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) have concentrated the element of divinity into a unique, omnipotent, creator god outside the universe, and this restriction of divinity has deprived nature --- including human nature --- of its divinity. By contrast, in India and Eastern Asia, before the impact of the modern West, the whole universe and everything in it, including non-human nature and man himself, was divine and, therefore, possessed, in human eyes, a sanctity and a dignity that have restrained man's impulse to indulge in greed by doing violence to non-human nature...I believe that mankind needs to revert to pantheism. The present adherents of the Judaic monotheistic religions are, all of them, ex-pantheists. This historical fact suggests that there might be some hope of their reverting to the pantheistic attitude, now that they have become aware of the badness of the consequences of the monotheistic lack of respect for nature.''


19.The effects of the KGB infiltration has inflicted serious damage to our body politic over the last five decades and still continues. I remember those days when the US PL480 funds were held in the RBI with the attached checks and controls while Soviet funds were kept in a Savings Account in SBI with no strictures. Remember the Nagarwala episode and his subsequent mysterious death ? We carried the servility to absurd lengths -- while Svetlana (Stalin's lone child) was treated as royalty because of her marriage to the uncle of Dinesh Singh (Congress minister), the government and much of the press vilified and cast aspersions on the marriage of the Chogyal of Sikkim to an American lady, claiming that she was a CIA plant! In collaboration with the USSR, we had drug factories, producing drugs the ailments for which were prevalent only in the Arctic! The Soviets undercut our products in Europe by paying us in worthless Rubles and earning hard currencies -- this Rupee trade (so dear to our Commies) tied our aprons to shoddy goods and manufacturing methods of the USSR and put us several decades behind! Since the infiltration was ALSO into the media, these stinks were never pursued.

Friday, December 30, 2005

outlook: rants and raves Part -2

1.Srinivasa-Raghavan - writes in his column about some historical facts
which I'm sure not many indians know about it. His article is an eye
opener on this recent controversy whether Jinnah was Secular or not.
His article can be read here

Quote :
Here
is a little-known fact that the secularists of the Congress, and its
sympathisers in the extended Left parivar, have been trying to
obliterate for the last 60 years.

In the 1937 election, when the
time came for what would be called seat adjustments today, Jawaharlal
Nehru, who was in charge of UP, had the option of tying up with the
Muslim League or the Jamaat-e-Islami. Guess who he chose?

Had he
tied up with the League, the course of history may well have been
different. Certainly, when it came to what is called communalism now,
the League at the time was no patch on the Jamaat.

It was only
because Nehru was adamant about not having anything to do with Jinnah,
rather than generally with any overtly Muslim organisation, did Jinnah
pull out all the stops.

The usual ifs and buts of history aside,
did that decision make Nehru communal? Or did it not make his politics
as communal as that of Jinnah?

Why, the Congress still ties up
for elections with Muslim political organisations and yet claims to be
secular. Does that make, say, Mani Shankar Aiyar communal?

Although
it is important to draw this distinction in the case of Jinnah too, we
Indians have never been taught to do so. His politics, that too only
after 1937, may have been based on exploiting communal differences. But
as a man he was as secular as Gandhiji and Nehru.

This
elementary point has never been understood in India because our
politicians have not told us any differently. The result is that
political postures and personal beliefs are treated identically. This
is responsible for 99 per cent of the confusion about Jinnah.

Nor
has the Congress allowed the blame for the partition to be placed where
it properly belongs: British policy. It has, instead, always tried to
project itself as the saviour of Indian Muslims (or should I say Muslim
Indians?) and kept the wedge driven in by the British in place.

The
result is that instead of the blame being directed outwards, it has
been directed inwards. Is it not ironic that Indians and Pakistanis
hate each other but love the British as though they were completely
blameless? For this, all political parties are responsible.

How
many Indians have heard of Harcourt Butler? How many have heard of
Principal WAJ Archbold of the Anglo-Oriental College of Aligarh? How
many know about the role played by these two in the formation of the
Muslim League in 1906?

Here are also some facts that the Sangh
Parivar has not heard of, such as the role played by Jinnah in the
Lucknow Pact (1916). It brought the Hindus and Muslims together in a
joint scheme for postwar reforms by conceding Muslims the right to
separate electorates. No less a person than Sarojini Naidu then called
him “the ambassador of Hindu-Muslim unity”.

How many Indians know Jinnah started out as a Congressman, as private secretary to
Dadabhai Naoroji? How many Indians know that he worked and worked and worked to bring about formulae that would lead to Hindu-Muslim unity? Let me give you a list.

There were his “Proposals” of 1927. In 1928 he begged and pleaded for basic Muslim demands to be included in the Nehru Report. In 1929 he formulated the “Fourteen Points” as minimum Muslim demands for a constitutional settlement.

He participated in the Round Table Conference that started in 1930 in London. Finally, fed up with the Congress, he quit politics altogether. This was not a “communal” man.

Nor has it taught Indians that Jinnah’s political career had two phases here, one before 1931 and the other after 1935. Few Indians know that Jinnah retired from politics in 1931 and went off to England to practise law.

Fewer still know why he came back at the end of 1934 after Liaquat Ali pleaded with him to return to lead the League in the elections that were to follow the passing of the Government of India Act in 1935.

What brought him back was not the fear that the Congress would defeat everything in
siht. It was the fear that the liberal Muslim political opinion in
India would go unheard. The Muslim League at that time was actually the
least “communal” of the Muslim political outfits.

It was notuntil 1940 that Jinnah asked for Pakistan. And that was a result of Congress policies over ministry formation in UP, where it refused to
take League ministers unless the League was dissolved.

It is worth noting in this context that the Congress tried to split theLeague when Nehru sought to entice some major UP Leaguers by offering
them ministerships! But he had a pre-condition: they must quit the
League and denounce it. None did.

The import of all this was notlost on Jinnah. Even so, as Ayesha Jalal, the US-based Pakistanihistorian, has asked: when he demanded Pakistan, did he really want a
theocratic state, or was he just using it as a bargaining chip to get the Muslims a better political deal?

Nor is the class dimensionof the Hindu-Muslim antagonisms taught properly. How many Indians knowthat Muslim separatism was fuelled largely by the big zamindars of Punjab, Bengal, and UP?

How many know that they determined toget a separate country only when the Congress turned explicitly“socialist” at the behest of Nehru after the Nowgong Congress of 197,when land reform became an integral part of the programme?

Hathey known that land reform would stop in India in 1950, they may not
have asked for a separate country. How many know that they used Jinnah
as an interlocutor with the British?

Does any of this make Jinnah communal?

Letme end by giving another little-known fact, one that the Congress has
been at pains to downplay. How many Indians know that when the time
came to choose a Prime Minister in the interim government of 1946, out
of the 20 DPCC members who voted, 19 voted for Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel
and that it was only after Gandhiji asked him to stand down in favour
of Nehru that the latter became Prime Minister? But that is another
story.

The short point is that Jinnah was no more communal than
Nehru or Gandhiji was. He became an instrument of forces that he
thought he could control but could not eventually. But that is not so
unusual, is it?

2.You are twisting historical facts to show that Bengali Hindus objected partition of Bengal to maintain their supremacy over Muslims. As I have stated in “Discussion” against chapter “War of independence”, British rule introduced their own system of education in Bengal since middle of eighteenth century, i.e. after battle of Pallesy. This education system, whose original purpose was to create clerical staff or writers for British administration in India, in the process, exposed it’s students to revolutionary developments of Germany, England and France. This imparted nationalistic feeling in them and made them bold enough to organise movement against imperial British rule. They started dreaming to become master of own destiny by getting independence from British Rule. British understood that their education system had given birth to a Frankestine. But, there was no way for them to go back, as knowledge is not a thing, which the giver can take back at it’s own will. In the mean time, movement for independence turned towards anarchism. But, most of the Bengali Muslims remained unaware of these developments in own land, due to lack of interest in education. Some of the prominent Muslim leaders did blunder by advising Muslims to remain away from politics, till they know it’s tricks. But, they did nothing to train Muslim community to enter politics. They went on provoking Islamic fundamentalism, because, they were afraid that their own charisma as leader would vanish if their followers get enlightened. Anyway, British also understood it. To encourage division between Hindu and Muslims, they conferred knighthood on Sir Syed Ahmad Khan, who always advocated in favour of friendship with British and was originator of two nation’s theory. British rule created Indian National Congress to give a platform to Indian people to let out frustration, so that entrapped frustration does not lead to revolution. But, British kept Muslim community out of Indian National Congress by branding it as shelter of Hindu fundamentalists with the help of some Muslim leaders of that time. It is really surprising why learned people like Sir, Syed could not see through British politics. Bengali Hindus in the mean time became ready to make supreme sacrifice for the nation. Even two Hindu Bengali girls took the risk of assassinating a British District Collector in East Bengal. Bomb was thrown on District collector of Midnapur by two Hindu Bengali boys. They loved to go to gallows for national cause. So, British decided to partition Bengal to break backbone of nationalistic movement. In fact, most of the Muslims at that time in East Bengal were illiterate and used to feel happy by living a quite life earning daily breads by hard toil. They were indifferent to movement for independence, because they looked at it as something alien to their life style. It was same to illiterate Bengali Hindus also. Since, number of educated Bengali Hindus at that time in Bengal was many times more than that of Bengali Muslims, Bengali Hindus had to take the burden of spear heading the movement. Hence, partition of Bengal was proposed by British to curb nationalistic movement by making Bengali Hindus minority in certain locations, so that they could be socially and economically ruined. It was never out of any sympathy for Muslim community. Sanjoy Ghose, Kolkata


3.What happens if Pakistan takes over Kashmir. They would drive out all Kashmiri Hindus or massacre them triggering hindus in India. The obvious retaliation would be on Indian Muslims. What harm did Indian muslims do to Pakistani muslims? Thay took our support till they got separate state. They want Kashmir but not Indian Muslims. Pakistan is always at loggerheads with India. By taking over Kashmir howmany muslims can you save(believe you are saving them!)? Why you have no sympathy to Indian Muslims. If Pakistan makes friendship with India, Indian Muslims would be at very comfortable stage. What happened to your concern to South asia muslims? Only Kashmir falls under south asia. Can't you at least shut up and allow us to live in peace in India?

4.From your presentation, it appears as if then Indian leadership intervened in Kashmir, while helpless Pakistan leadership looked on. May I ask how could Pathan tribesmen could infiltrate in kingdom of Maharaja Hari Singh from Pakistan side without concurrence of then Pakistan leadership? If they say that they had no control over Pathan tribesmen, does not it sound similar to what King Dahir told to then Hajjaj bin Yousaf, governor of the Eastern Provinces during reign of the great Umayyad Caliph Walid bin Abdul Malik, on looting of the eight-ships caravan by Sindhi Pirates near seaport of Daibul on voyage from Ceylon to Baghdad? In reprisal Muhammad Bin Qasim campaigned against Sind and initiated advent of Islam on Indian Subcontinent. If that was not wrong on part of Umayyad Caliph Walid bin Abdul Malik, what is wrong on part of then Indian leadership to send army to defend kingdom of Maharaja Hari Singh, on his request, from onslaught of Pathan tribesmen?


5.It was the OIC meeting. Sultan Qaboos of Oman was in chair. Pakistan’s PM made a scathing attack on India and request approval of its inclusion in the final declaration.
Since it could be done only by consensus, everybody looked to see who dissented. Yes, the chair and PLO, being friends of India remained neutral. The lone voice of dissent came from none other than the ruler of Iraq. Libya’s Gaddafi stood up and encouraged Hussein to relent. Instead, the Iraqi made a very sentimental speech,”Remember, when our forefathers didn’t have oil and lived in tents in the desert, it was Al Hind (India) that helped us by selling their goods to be sold to Europeans. So even if you forget them, I won’t”. A happy Sultan Qaboos jumped in and declared that, “Since our brother feels strongly for his friends in Al Hind, let us not press the issue this time.”

6. The Hindus remained under double jeopardy - from their not only being non-Muslim but also sharing the religion with the Indian majority. During times of tensions with India - as over Kargil during 1999 - they became even more vulnerable. The plight of the so-called scheduled castes adds a third jeopardy of extreme poverty. A minority member of the parliament and parliament secretary, Kishen Bheel, once told the National Assembly that the Hindus were being looted wherever they were: in Sindh it was generally the dacoits, elsewhere the police. If the government wanted to drive out Hindus, he said, it should say so. ·

Violations against temples In Karachi, a tenant of a part of the 200-year-old Shri Punch Mukhi Hanuman Mandir, Ghulam Rasool, got the piece leased in his name with his name with the connivance of some KMC officials, and then started construction on it. The pujari (priest) of the temple petitioned the court which ordered an enquiry. In Mirpur, a fire was started in Darbar Guru Nanak Saheb Mandir in Goth Garhi Chakar. The roof was burnt down, religious literature was gutted Hindus put all shutters down and called off Holi celebrations.

In Lahore the official auqaf department decided to convert Krishna mandir on Ravi Poad into a dispensary.(…) When in reaction to the destuction of the Babri Masjid in India in 1992, a large number of Hindu temples in Pakistan were sacked, the government had promised to reconstruct and restore them. The historic Prahlad Temple in Multan, amongst many others, still remain in debris.

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Violence against Hindus rarely made even local newspaper headlines. Few of a dozen or so incidents that occurred in the space of one-and-a-half months in July and August did. On July 17, dacoits hijacked a bus with 56 passengers in the Guddu police stations jurisdiction. A ransom was only demanded for the release of the abducted Hindus - a price of one million rupees was paid by their family for their release.

On July 27th Nikal Chand, 18, assistant at a medical store in Umerkot was kidnapped and killed. Two days laterin Khaan city in Mirpurkhas a boy called Gagan Mingwar was raped by the factory owner Latif Ramgar and then killed. Another boy, Ranjhan Oad was held in Khaanji or Nijj Jail, a private jail of Haveli Arisar near Chhor in Umerkot. He was released when the SDM raided the place on July 28th.

On July 29th, Bhiman Das Eidanman, 28, was murdered in Kandhkot, reportedly by dacoits. Mashau Kolhi, 16, was raped before and after her marriage by her zamindar and kamdar in Deh 255, village Chonro Bhurgri near Digri. They also made pictures and video cassettes of her without dress, and had her husband and father-in-law arrested on false charges of possessing hashish.

Daanu Weenjholi was robbed of all valuables in his home and then killed by dacoits who posed as policemen, in Ghotki village in Nagar Parkar, on August 8. Ratri and her pregnant daughter- in- law were raped in Qadir Bux Talpur village in Matli in Badin in August 12th. Three armed men had entered the house and tied up the male members.

Chanu Wishram, a farmer boy, was kidnapped by armed men of a Digri feudal. On August 26th Pushpa, 45, a widow, was robbed and murdered in her house in Naudero. Two days later, Teekarn Das, a business man, was kidnapped for ransom near Kandhra, in Sukkur. Raju, an intermediate student kidnapped with four others while worshipping in a Mandir in Pir-jo-Goth, was killed for the demanded ransom not being paid for him. Jaivan, 10, was kidnapped, raped and killed in Kunri. Early in August minority MPA from Sukkur, Mehru Mal Jagwani, said that in addition to these four Hindus picked up from Pir-jo-Goth, four months earlier, three Hindus had been abducted from each of Kashmore and Sanghar. They were all missing and fear had gripped all Hindus. Three of them were later reported to have been released on a ransom of Rs, 1 million.

There were no reports of serious pursuit of such cases by the police or of any redress provided to the victims.

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The Kargil crisis fuelled anti-Hindu suspicions. A word was once spread that Indian agents were looses in the border areas of fairly high minority-concentration, such as Bahawalpur and Rahimyar Khan.

In July, four Hindus of Sindh, Sajan, Qaisariya, Rura Ram and Gekha, came to Islamabad to obtain visas for India and stayed in a temple. The CIA rounded them from there claiming suspicion of their being spies. After prolonged interrogation, and after extorting heavy bribes, it released them late in the night. Earlier in the same month, (Pakistani) Intelligence services were reported from Dharki to have sent a report claiming 'anti-state activities' relating to Kargil against 200 Hindus of Sukkur and 28 of Gotkhi. Including several businessmen.

A constitutional petition was filed in the Supreme High Court against Hindu judge, Justice Rana Bhagwandas, arguing that a non-Muslim could not be a member of superior judiciary in an Islamic republic. The petition was referred to a full bench. The judgemnet was still reserves wgen the judge, who was in fact next in line to be the chief justice of the Supreme High Court, was transferred to the Supreme Court.

· Kavita, daughter of a cloth mercahnt of Jacobabad, Ghanumaf, was kidnapped, converted, then married to a Muslim, Jusuf Rajput. She was brought out in a procession to the court and made to read out a statement that she was in love with Yusuf and had converted to his faith. There was no effort by the court to ascertain her independent will, or circumstances of her initial abduction.

"Triumph of love," chanted an ecstatic crowd showering rose petals on the couple. "Where was this devotion to love just four or five months ago," asked Hindu Dr. Heera Lal Lohano, an anguished but devout Pakistani citizen, "when a Muslim girl, Shabana Mahar, had fallen in love with a final year Hindu MBBS student of Chandka Medical College, Pawan Kumar. The boy and girl were both killed (…) and disappeared without a trace.

7. My most horrifying moment was on Remembrance Day (November 11, 1953) at Leconfield. We had a parade with us foreign students relegated as supernumeraries to the back of the dais of Gp Capt Mermagen. The shock came when after the march in review order, the Church of England (Protestant) priest was to read the Lord’s Prayer. The officer commanding the parade asked Roman Catholics and Jews to fall out! We three Indians were aghast and glanced at each other surreptitiously. It was just not done in our air force or any other Indian service.

People now-a-days talk in a very derogatory manner about our caste system. But I was in the St Andrews High School Gorakhpur for three years. All students recited the Lord’s Prayer at every morning assembly without a single person of any religion or caste raising a voice against it. We also studied the New Testament in English and Hindi without corrupting our own faiths. I still think that this falling out on thye basis of religion was just madness. Right now France and to an extent Britain are having lots of trouble accepting the Muslim code of dress or other practices. This encourages fundamentalists to be even more awkward and run off to the courts. You will note that our amorphous faith Hinduism is not as rabid. I attended this year’s (2005) Remembrance Day at Bangalore’s famous St Mark’s Cathedral. And I had no problem with it, though I could not keep up with some of the hymns.

You said Gandhi took inspiration from the Gita. The central message of Gita is to resist evil and act in the path of Dharma. How does this square with the way Gandhi dealt with Hitler.

In his rather infamous letter to Churchill, Gandhi asked him to drop all arms, not to fight and accept the Nazi treatment(not the exact words but the sentiments are spot on). He wanted him to follow the path of ahimsa, which everyone knew would have led to the extinction of UK. Gandhi said such display of ahimsa would "melt" the heart of Hitler and the war would end. Which made Aurobindo quip" It would require a furnace".

The fact is Gandhi spoke a lot of Gita(and Bible and Quran) but never understood any of those books. If he had, he would not have have written the silly letter he wrote to Churchill. He had a few flawed ideas and stuck with them , no matter what. That led him to make mistake after mistake which proved disastrous for India in the end.


8.The writer asks why muslims are in conflict with everyone in all parts of the world. And he answers himself.

Its because muslims think of themselves as the chosen people , are a closed community and regard all the rest as infidels. Quite absurd but its true. Just read Dawn and Pakistan Link, and you will get the message ie Islam is the best religion providing a kit to solve all lives problems..How it is superior to all others and so on. Any insult to Islam means thousands of muslims are willing to go into a state of madness, and threaten to kill the guilty ones .

Faruki never answers any questions raised by me, but starts raveing and ranting. Jinnah himself suggested that since hindus and muslims were so different it was better to devide the country. Further on he said that he would have India devided or India destroyed. All muslims in India supported him- True or false. Today Kashmiri muslims have done the same thing. True or false.Muslims in Thailand, Phillipines, Sri Lanka, China want to form independent homelands, and the muslims in India would also want the same ,if there was a realistic option.

Faruki you fail to adress these questions.

Was Jinnah right in asking for Pakistan, or did he have a neanderthal mind. Write this in any Pakistani or muslim paper and you will get a Fatwa asking for your head.

And why considering your attitudes do you want to live in a multicultural society when you are obviously obsessed by your faith.




9. GF>>Why do American Jews have Bnai Brith and American Jewish Congress to constantly guard and advance their interests.

American Jews/Muslims don't have separate laws like Talaq, Multiple Marriage, Sharia. One common Civil law is enforced by everybody. Neither they force govt to spend Billions of Dollars on establishing Madrassas/religious Schools on tax Payers money. They have every rights to establish that, but from their own pocket. US Govt don't spend billions of Dollars on funding Haj Pilgrimage. US Govt doesn't provide separate laws for a particular state because people's religious faith, like we have in J&K.

We have all these crap in the name of Secularism, which itself was forced into constitution during Emergency period. Bonus is: In India, pseduo Sec parties rally Muslims and Xtians regiously for grabbing their vote. Its unimaginable, that 15% minority will ever be able to hostage the national Govts in US, like they are in India.

US Govt doesn;t nationalise their Churches like Hindu temples in India. The huge money from Hindu temples is given to Muslims/Xtians to upkeep their religious places, and furthering their religious cause:)- Quite extra-ordinary indeed!

Lastly, US mainstream press doesn't lie, spin the news like in India. US press is balanced, and provide both sides of the picture. here in India, one side is projected. Often the otherside is spinned to the opposite.


If a Train compartment with full of people, children is to be burnt, stoned so nobody can come out from that stopped train, for alleged misbehviour of few guys, I think its extreme justification of Violence. Remember the Mou incident? An important Hindu religious procession was objected by local Muslims, and some Hindus accepted to postpone it. Some hardliners didn't agree to the postponement, and took it out the next day. Thus the riot started. So, its fault of these Hindu hardlines. Why they took it out when Muslims objected!

Question is not raised why Muslims objected to a traditional religious procession taken out every year. Question is raised: Why hardliners didn't agree to Muslims demand.

This is not a balanced argument, and is skewed in favor of minorities. It never happens anywhere in the world. This absurdity, that people will have to accept whatever Muslims are asking/demanding -- is going to be very costly for the society.

outlook: rants and raves

Outlook is a known anti-nationalist magazine.here are some interesting readers' comments I cam across in its online discussion board:

1.Why Indians detest Pakistanis more than the other way round.
This is easily explained. Pakistanis learn Pakistan ideology which teaches them to hate and denigrate their hindu ancestors and today’s hindus. But Pakistanis know in their hearts that this ideology is a big lie. Hence they have bad conscience towards their hindu siblings. Hence when Indians visit Pakistan they are treated well by Pakistanis. On the other hand hindus in India are taught by the Indian pseudo-secular muslim-appeasing government that islam is a good religion and the hindus know in their heart that this is a lie too. Hence Pakistanis (who are quislings of islamic-arabic imperialism living on original name-giving hindu lands, lands from where the hindus have been exterminated by the muslims) are not met with enthusiasm in India. This will remain so till Pakistanis reject islam (an alien arabic-ethno-fascist and imperialist ideology posing as a religion) and become normal honest relaxed human beings.
You will need a lot of courage and verve to accept this correct explanation openly and publicly. Try it if you want to do something real good for the people of the subcontinent.


2. You have stated that the point you made in your column is not unique to yourself and they had been made by others also and you just picked it up from them.This still doesn't take anything away from my argument that its not sufficient information to arrive at a rational conclusion
regarding Indians' attitude toward pakistanis.It doesn't matter if it was made by Indians,Hindus,
or even Bangaloreans themselves.The merits(or in this case de-merits) still stand unaltered.
Just as erroneous as It would have been,to conclude from the overwhelmingly positive response of the Baby Noor episode,as a change in Indians' attitude toward pakistan as shift from hostility to
friendship,it is erroneous to conclude that Indians are prejudiced from the response of a cricket
crowd.There simply isn't sufficient information to arrive at an objective conclusion one way or another.
You have also stated that your reason for providing this particular cricketing example is just to indicate the growing communalisation of Indian society.Here the debate seems to have shifted from a discussion of the attituted of Indian and pakistani societies toward one another to an intra Indian one,concerning Hindus and Muslims.You have raised some questions at the end of your response and although you have said that you don't expect me to answer them,I will still make an attempt.
As I can understand,the riots in Gujarat seems to have had a deep impact on your Pysche.Like millions of other Indians I am ashamed and sorry that such a thing happened. Acts of such violence have no place in any society that wants to call itself civilized.I fully commiserate with you in mourning this tragedy.As for people like Modi they should be brought to trial and convicted of their crimes.As a democratically elected leader of the state his job was to provide security to all citizens and he has failed.I hold no brief for him.
As tragic as the whole episode was, it is still important that we try to look at it as objectively as possible.For instance,this was not the first riot that took place here.A worse act of rioting had taken place in '62 when Nehru was the PM.Infact,religious riots in India are not a new phenomenon.They have been taking place for nearly a hundred years now.There were riots before independence like the Mopla rebellion and riots preceding and during partition.All this when we
had leaders like Gandhi,Nehru,Patel and Jinnah who were all, while being secular,still used religion one way or another.There have been riots after '47.Like the ones in '62, '84, '93 and '02.Again,as horrendous these events are, terming them as genocide or holocaust is not appropriate.Genocide is what is happening in Sudan.Its what happened in Bangladesh in '71.Its when there is a comlete breakdown of system and there is a planned method to the madness.The scale is also important.This hardly happened in India.While some such characteristics can be observed in Gujarat, the fact that no rioting took place outside of that state is proof enough that it was local and limited.Please don't get me wrong,I am not being insenstive but there is a certain definition of terms like Genocide and Holocaust.And nowadays everything seems to have a genocide tag to it.Terming violence in India as anyone of these is just not right and is a disservice to the majority of Indians who do not approve of these.
As you can see,riots have taken place under all governments cutting across all political ideologies, irrespective of what each political party says.No one has been brought to justice.I think the American society provides a parallel.Just upto 30 years ago,segregation was in place in one form or the other and acts of violence against minorites was not uncommon,the most recent one in '92,LA.But while everyone was concerned,nobody blew them out of proportion.The fact that such acts were punished went a long way in assuaging the feelings of the minorities.But does that mean everything is honky dory?Are we absolutely sure that such rioting will not take place again?I don't think so.But effective management does provide one with a sense of reasonable degree of security.This is what we have to achieve in India.
I believe Communalisation of Indian society is not the main problem.Its just a symptom of a deeper malaise afflicting us.Primarily, illiteracy, poverty,corruption,frustration,failure of law and order and judicial mechanisms.These factors have overlapped to produce a population which feels trapped and has become easy pickings for demogogues. So,fighting against communalism is like treating just the symptoms without treating the disease.If we are to see an end to this, we need
to rectify the system such that the above problems are eliminated.
I also urge you to have more patience and not lose hope.As you have mentioned in your other articles, Indian society for all its problems is still an extremely tolerant one.The violence against muslims is getting more attention than previously because of the current world situation.But it would help if muslims did some introspection in this regard.Why is the world hostile to them?Especially in countries where they are minorities.After all there are lots of other minorities who seem to get along reasonably well with the majority.An example is the UK.
Both hindus and muslims came to UK around the same time and their condition was more or less the same.Yet while the hindus seem to have moved on since then,gaining education,wealth and contributing to the society,muslims seem to have got stuck without any progress.They also seem to have managed to create friction.Recall the rioting a couple of years ago.Now,I don't know who was responsible for this but at the end of the day,the fact still remains that the majority community there is more comfortable with hindus and less so with muslims.I also think the treatment of minorities in Muslim countries is a major ingredient in this antagonism toward muslims.For example muslims in India demand equal rights and they are given that, as they should be.But what about the rights of Hindus in Pakistan?Do they enjoy the same rights as muslims there?I know that you being a Muslim from India,it is unfair on my part to make you answerable for the shortcomings in that society but this is more a question from a Hindu to a Muslim.How long can muslims of the world keep demanding rights where they are minorities but act diametrically opposite when they are a majority?These are the questions that a lot of Hindus,Christians etc are beginning to ask.And I certainly don't think they are unreasonable.
Viewing the increased communalisation as something that is all pervasive and irreversible is a fallacy.Not only would this be wrong but also dangerous.It might well become a self fulfilling prophecy. Also someone,as yourself,who has been arguing on behalf of muslim society must guard against arriving at such conclusions.Because,if you believe the situation in India is hopeless,you are porviding tacit approval to all those who view muslim societies as obscrantist and fanatical with no hope of improvement and must be destroyed.
But this change will not come about anytime soon.We are in it for the long haul.So,I can't promise you that Modi et al. will be punished. But what I can promise is a sincere effort to address the root causes of the problem.In that,I believe,we will eventually be successful.Just as America was able to overcome Slavery and Segregation. I hope this answers some of your questions and more importantly allay some of your fears.


3.muslim is not free to admit that islam has failed. He must keep maintaining that it has not failed but is producing brilliances after brilliances.
That is their mindset even if they have a PhD degree.
M J Akbar, an exceptional indian muslim journalist, has said that muslims in India should consider themselves lucky that they live in a hindu majority land.
Few muslims will have the wisdom to recognise and accept this truth

Madarssa Vs Saraswati Shishu mandir

Time was 1996 general election. People were fed up with daily scandals of narsimha Rao Govt. and everybody was expecting Atalji to become Prime Minister.Even Pro-Congress news papers were printing his fromnt page interview.On the eve of voting Doordarshan telecasted an Interview of Atalji with Priteesh nandi as English host and javed Akhtar as Hindi.That was first time i saw javed donning this role and he was a bit above pathetic. he aske question about communal teaching at madarssas and shishu mandirs.
This came to my mind while looking at our pseudo-secular media which will never blame madarssas to forment terrorism but when it is pushed to corner will compare sarswati shishu mandirs with it.Yes Saraswati Shishu mandir can be compared to madarssas if:

1. They teach ramayana and mahabharata and Vedas only.
2.They teach these epics by heart and people are ade to memorizae them like parrots without getting meaning of them.
3.They don't follow state approved curricullum.
4.They ask pupils to learn foreign languages while scorning at their local mother tongue.
5.They bar dance ,singing,cultural activity and prevent any interaction between boys and girls.
6.Alumni form them have been found to behind most terrorist attacks.
7.their students get assembled in temples upon call of a priest to supposed injusticr to hindus or their books in an other corner of world and go and torch houses and religious places of people who happen to share same faith with majority peole in that distant corner of world.
8.They daily preach hatred against west brand it corrupt ,yet use its gadgets as explosives and communication means.
9.They are funded by external country .
10.Even people who have lived their lives in UK or USA ,when visit them for some months become fanatically ill and blow thmselves in publicspaces.

I guess if any of these is true than compare Saraswati Shishu Mandirs and Madarssas else keep your mouth shut.

Saturday, December 24, 2005

New caste System

Well first we should revisit caste system. Each person has certain rights and duties acording to job he does and he can shift from one job to other.But this system became birth based gradually and reasons are not hard to fathom,
1. A child born in family of musician or priest will obviously be attracted towards this profession as environ is same.Moreover if people doing similar job tend to reside in same area then this probability increases.i.e. why ancient India had profession based localities.
2. Parents influence their choices ,moreover as parents are already established in those fields they would not have to start from a scratch,e.g a bania would not have to make contacts to suppliersetc as his ancestors have already done this job.similarly somone doing odd job will have his customer fixed family wise from generations.
3. If your father was good at his profesion peole tend to push you towards the same thing believing that you would also be equally good being his son/daughter.

But actual problem arises when skills required and sophistication attained increases so much that independence to move across job remains only on papers.So when a purohit was required to learn many books by heart this was not possible without a teacher at home, or you could not become a merchant or musician without being in the same environ. and thus caste system became based on birth.


With the arrival of Britishers ,its bonding was slackend a bit as anybody could join army.Anybody could go to free govt schools and become barristor , doctor or clerk. Moreover only location (rural vs urban , british india vs pricely states) was the only disadvantage.
But 60 yrs after freedom we are witnessing arrival of a new caste system. Brahmins are those whose ancestors were able to become technocrates or officals during british time or early freedom.Most of them are settled abroad and if in india they are the elite here.Some of them might be active in wild life conservation, human rights , heritage and such NGOs or writing books etc.They scorn at common indians and are above daily problems of corruption or poverty.
Second is the more enterprisin lot of old business houses.Starting from tats to loacal business czars.Their children do schooling at doon and further class b MBA degrees from USA , fuel the market of imported goos,fashion products and vehicles, run hotels ,go in politics and bag major contracts.
third is the people who are first big in their life.say, IAS officers of first generation or first time minister or politicians or established lawyers ,doctors etc.

Now this system works by creating cultural impediments.For example when i was in school the most prestigious quiz contest in the city was in english ,not only these a major portion was based on hollywood movies and english music and english novels.Such thing is understandable in bombay in delhi but in a city like indore wher till today no talkies shows english movies or you can't find englsih novels except a single shop this was really elitist.CAT can be branded with similar tag.How does your english grammer decide your management qualities.
Our film industry and politicians are the most paternalistic in their future plans.For a actor to enter industry nowadays,without his father being something big in industry is almost impossible.Similarly ost of the mPs across all parties today will force their parties to give tickets to their son or dauhter when they retire.

Tuesday, December 13, 2005

corruption in parliament

Recent sting operation by a channel showing MPs accepting bribes to ask questions in parliament prompted me to write this.i suggest some remedial measures:

1. Give people write to vote as "none is suitable". once Mr T N sheshan came to our college and one guy asked him that out of two contestents at his hometown one had 50 murder cases and other 40 .So for whom should he vote. A large no of educated peole who shy away from voting saying that none of the candidates is good will have to vote to prevent any of those from getting elected. If vote share of runner up and "none found suitable " exceeds vote share of winner,there would be re elction and if highest vote share is for 'none found suitable" in reelection none of the existing candidates will be allowed to contest.

2. Why parties fail to give tickets to their honest members? how didtraders overnight became congress members after 15aug,47? how did top leaders condone at corrupt industrialista or contractor currying favour ?.answer is money for elctioneering. This is the main reason that many honest people shy away from fighting elections.Govt should finance candidates.Candidates from top three parties in last elction ,and all past winners from the seat ( if they contest0 should be financed.For assembly seats 3-5 lakhs and for Loksabha 110 lakhs per candidate.So this come to 30 lakh per seat .That meanssome 150 crore for loksabha which is not that big amount considering that whole elction process costs 1000-1500 crore. Give parties time on private chaneels at govt expense.Print their publicty material in govt press. Note down no of their vehicles and pay for fuel by speedometer readings. Ask the candidate to give I card to 100s of his workers and give them rs 100 per day for 15 days.many other ways can be devised and this will reduce party's dependence on business lobbies for money.Give income tax exemption for money donated to political parties.

3. Instead of reserving seats for women outrightly ask each party to give 25% of seats it is contesting to women and at least 20% of its last won seats which it is contesting now to women.this will ensure that they are not shunted to not winnable seats.As no seat is permanently reserved so existing male mebers would not be hostile and no family dominance would be created over a seat as has been case with SC ST seats.

4. To prevent last minute changing of parties by people and to prevent people like V C Shukla who has been member in all govts, Rajiv gandhi, V P Singh , Narsimharav, A B Vajpeyee. make a rule that a person contesting lection first time should have been member of that political party at least 1yr before.(This will prevent last minute fielding of politican's relatives) and if he is a seasoned politicain then at least 2yrs membership of that party in case of regular dissolution and 1year in case of premature.Thus people who change parties on denying ticket will find going tough.

5. To ensure impartiality of speakers nd deputy speakers of house and governers make rule that they can;t run for elctions to loksabha,vidhansabha and municipal councils.Keep rajyasabha or president etc post free from this restritction.Now when a speaker knows that he is not going to contest elction next time he would be impatial in the house.

6.To prevent rajysabha or rajbhavan becoming house for defeated politicains. make rule that anyone who has lost any loksabha or vidhan sabha elction in last 5yrs can't go for these posts or seats.People who lost rajyasabha election or president ets should be free from this restriction.In this way we will have commited people to rajya sabha and somebody who loses elction will not be reabilated in rajya sabha or governor houses.

7. To keep serving officails, judges and bureaucrates free from the partial behaviour for post retirement favours put a moratorium of 5yrs on them contesting any elction or going for posts of governor etc. Only in exceptional case( nationnal security) this rule can be relaxed when PM and leade of oppositon agree on it.

8.make mandatory ofr all elcted representative right from mebers of big municipal corporations to lokasabha to file their income tax returens,property in name of their familmembers and themselves, reecord of their foreign visits ,their hotel bill,all favours and gifts accepted by them and who offered them, all socities and organisation of which they are member,all their business interests and so on. So any kind of lobbying in parliament will be apparent.Thus people will know that whya particualar person is taking a particular stance in a particula matter.

I guessabove laws will be able to ensure probity and integrity in our electd offices upto large extent.

Saturday, December 10, 2005

Has reservation delivered

So govt is moving to undermine court order quashing caste based resrvations in private technical institutees. Reservation which started as a social largesse has become many headed monster. If you see discussions between Gandhi and Jinnah for Muslim League's demand for reservation gandhi is said to have stated that at lower end perhaps for clerical jobs you can have reservation but jobs requiring intellect will be given purely on merit. Initially constituitional provisions were also like thes. Low end jobs and admission in govt funded institutes. But now they extended it to every nook and corner.
Take a typical example. Ther is a new housing schem by local municipality.SC/Sts are preferred,given loan by banks at lower rate. Next when they fall ill or say lady gets pregnant hospital doesn't charge them anything. Nowadays govt. would get them in costly public schools on its own expenditure and never mind there are umpteen Navodaya,army,central and state govt's own model school.Where they get evrything for free and scholarship also irrespective of academic performance.
Think this is enough to make him or her able to contest with others.No not yet. For entering in engineerig or medical entrance exms ,no application fees and reservation.After admission no fees,and scholarship.In addition techers are instructed to mark them leniently.Then for job less percentage would work,posts reserved,age relaxation. if this was not enough reservation in promotion also.
If u careflly analyse UPSC's result then you would see that most of the candidates in quota are those whose parents are already higher up govt. employees.So there has been created a class among scheuled castes which has kept all the benfits to itself.
Then Muslims and christians are also clamouring for reservation completely ignoring the fact that scheduled castes were given this faciltiy becuse they were socially disadvantaged ,now muslims ruled india for 700hundred years.There were so many opportunities for them that muslims from persia,turkey,yaman and ithiopia came here to earn money and work as officials.According to great historians Romila thapar one major reason for fall of mughals was lack of "talented" people coming to india from middle east ,which implies that Hindus were not given plm jobs and so they developed habits of hard work which paved them later when britishers came.Moreove Hindus had adjusted to a barbaric religion earlier so they moulded their social customes once again when britishers came easily but muslims could not rise over their dogmas and remained backwards. If for a moment we but the argument that during british rule Muslims became socially disadvantaged then what about muslims in andhra.Andhra was under Nizam and Nizam was known to be anti Hindu.So if muslims could not get modern education under their own regime how they hope to do it under infidels.
Next important question is that you want a share in somethig which you never created but won't sacrifice a bit for it and want to retain all your privileges.
Some salient points of castebased reservaiton are,
1. When my mom and dad were in their village schools.Quality of techers was comparable to best anywhere and people became top officals and scientists fro mthe same village.But now becoz of resrvaiton you have all time drunkard quota teachers who beat children like animlas and don't tech at all.
2.They have reservaiton for posts of scientists in ISRo ,DRDO and professers in Medical and engg colleges.Needless to say these seats are never filled aas there are not people even at relaxed qualifications.
3. Lokasabha and vidhansabha seats reserved for SC/STs have become pocket burrogdfor somefamilies of that particular region,and general class of that own never gets represented.So these seats should be rotated on a draw basis among sets where ratio in population of backward cates is more.This way backward castes of predominantly forwrd costituencies will also have a say.
4.Do caste wise census and tryto eliminate those caste fro mreservation which have ration of govt jobs more than SC/ST average.In every state there are castes which have benfitted disproportionately high like Meena in rajastahn, Yaday in bihar and so on.ther re reservation in even allotment of petrol pumps or ration shops or govt tenders.
5.decrese income limit of creamy layer to sensible terms.
6.Streamline panchayat laws there have been instance of resrvation of sarpanch seat when ther is only one or two family of acheduled cate or tribe in that particular village.Such mockery of provisions should be stopped.
7.Give benfit of reservation to extremly poor in general class also.
8.put a limit to maximum a person can have reservation.You study in a school on govt expenses,the nIIT,then IIM ,then plum govt job and then promotion also.Ther e should be limit somewhere in between

Friday, December 09, 2005

Indian Media's minorytism

Recent instances of Media's minorytism :

1. Movie "Sin" based on real incident was opposed by some catholic organisations.Though media did not go with them but they did not condemn the protesters in the same way as they would have if they were Hindus.
2. national award for best actress for two consective yeras have been won by actresse from movies which had storyline of a struggling Muslim woman. No publicity to these films. had it been on plight of Hindu wommen!
3. Recent outbursrt of dravidian parties against actress khushboo.These same dravidian parties garlanded ganesha statues with chappals and took them in procession.Anti Brahminism is equated with rationalism in TN.Moreover condemnation of these protesters is also muted ,had BJP or RSS opposed Khushboo's statements.
4. Mullas who are giving decisions against Sania Mirza's dress, Imrana's right to live with his husband or in reote village of bengal where a husband divorced his wife in inebriated state but later realised mistake and they made reprochments.Now local mullah wants them to live separatelyand has made people bycott them.
What was media's treatment.
5. In pakistan angry muslim students attacked in Nakans Sahib a sikh school, christians in another locality and are routinely kidnapping hindu girls .Any comments?
6. Famous case of Imrana fro mBombay who was killed by gujarat police in an encounter with terrorists.Loacl congress chief had even donated money to her family in a prcession.Later when Laskare Tyabba claime she was her member,then everything went silent.
7. how shankaracharya was humiliated and victimised and how his supporters were ridiculed.Imagine same behaviour with a local imam leave apart someone higher up.
8. How do they produce reports of different muslim personal law boards ?. Had it been in hindus then revolt,rebelletion,inherent dissent would have been buz words.
9. Muslim women should contest election veiled!!!.should not people pronouncing such judgements be hanged.
10. See what happened to a recent drive to get rid of bangladeshis in assam.All parties ended up appeasing muslims.
11. Lalu yaday's blatant favourism to muslim.
12. When dawn shahabuddinclaims that he is being victimised for being a muslim ,no comments.
13. paswan's insistence for a muslim CM and taking an Osama alie for campaign.
14.There is a dicator Musharraf but he is shown as our saviour and Kingof nepal is being demonised.
15. AMU reservation?
16. reservation for Muslims in andhra which were under Nizam's rule.No historical reason for being backwards.
17.urdu universityin Rampur,UP.Doesn't UP need more engineerin or Medical colleges.
18. Reservation for muslims in IIT IIMs
19. Muslim leage membe is or foreign minister any takes?
20. How bitterly shia and sunni are killing each other in Iraq.